Autism Acceptance: Nicole Bateman chats with Tynisha from Visible Autism

Autism Acceptance Day: Masking, Diagnosis and Visibility with Tynisha from Visible Autism

in this Autism Acceptance Day special, Nicole Bateman speaks with Tynisha from Visible Autism about her lived experience as an autistic woman and her journey to self-understanding and advocacy.

In This Episode:

• Masking and Late Diagnosis – Tynisha shares how she masked her autistic traits throughout school and the ten-year journey it took to receive her diagnosis. She reflects on how being misunderstood led to exhaustion and challenges with self-identity.
• University and Reasonable Adjustments – Despite having a formal diagnosis, Tynisha discusses the lack of appropriate adjustments at university, the impact this had on her education, and the wider issue of inaccessible systems.
• The Story Behind Visible Autism – Tynisha talks about the creation of Visible Autism, a clothing brand designed to promote neurodivergent visibility and spark conversations about the autistic experience.
• Documenting the Autistic Experience – A look at Tynisha’s upcoming documentary, where she shares her reality of navigating the world as an autistic person, breaking stereotypes, and advocating for acceptance over awareness.

This episode is great listening for anyone wanting to understand the reality of autistic masking, the barriers to diagnosis, and why true visibility and acceptance matter.

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Transcript

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Hello and welcome to conversations with an SEND mum with me as your host, Nicole Bateman. Today is Autism Acceptance Day and I am here with Tanisha from Visible Autism. So welcome. Hello. Thank for having me. That's all right. So I first came across Tanisha when I saw her pitch to Simon Squibb and Richard Branson at the Doorbell I heard that she wanted to create a documentary about lived experiences, and I was like, let's have a chat. So can you first of all just tell us a little bit about yourself, Tanisha, and a little bit about your story? Yeah, absolutely. So I was diagnosed with autism when I was 12 which was actually very late. That was 10 years of battling from different doctors and from teachers, basically anyone we knew. I was basically an army child. We moved around a lot and every time we had to move, I then had to start the process again. With the fact that because I am a girl with autism, I masked it very well. So every time we saw somebody, they'd be like, no, no, you are right. You're right. I got labeled as a naughty kid. I'm copying Tracy Beaker. Yeah, everything under the sun apart from autistic. I then went to my last primary school and. My mom said, right, I'm not gonna tell'em anything. I'm just gonna stay quiet and see what happens. And within a couple of weeks, the teacher rang my mom and said, there's something not quite right here. She then we were basically doing our sacks in year six and the first round I just got low marks across the board. So she said, right, let's do them again. And she read the questions to me Colors. And yeah, basically that helped. We then went to the doctors down south and even the doctor said, what's been going on? What's all these appointments like? And my mom was like, no one will listen. Nobody will listen to us. So yeah, it was at that point we kind of got the ball rolling again and got diagnosed when I was 12. It did help that my mom, so she'd worked with kids before and she did the level two understanding autism. Basically then went to teachers and and professionals and said, look, I've done the course. I understand what's going on with my child. Like you need to do these adjustments and she'll be all right. So that helped having backed with the information. I honestly could say having that piece of paper still didn't help. We then got diagnosed, we got left. Nobody checked in, nobody asked if we were okay, and I was actually then moving to secondary school, so year seven. And the teachers said that I couldn't have my reasonable adjustments, so that extra time in a reader because I would be at an advantage to the other children. Obviously our argument was that I'm already at a disadvantage and they basically refused. Luckily, we then had to move house again because my dad was leaving the army. So we came back up north and I started at a new secondary school. Luckily, some of the teachers I already knew from primary school, I had some friends there and we still had to battle for a while, but then I did get the extra time in the reader, so I had to do a test to do that. And I got a few reasonable adjustments, but not everything. It still wasn't, it still wasn't amazing. So yeah, that's basically the diagnosis story. It took a while. I had the traits of tiptoeing. I didn't like eye contact. I was very independent. I would wanna do my hair by myself even. But things like if family members would turn up unannounced, I'd go crazy. I, I'd hate it. I, I remember locking a family member outside once because I was like, you didn't tell me you're coming. The signs were there, but we just. That is, unfortunately, that is not an uncommon, like themes there with the, not being listened to. But I can't believe, you know, 10 years of your mom and yourself pushing to be believed and, and that is something that frustrates me so much. It makes me so sad because that advocating, that gaslighting from some. Professionals sometimes to make you doubt yourself. Think, okay, am I, am I, yeah. Am I making things up about my child? But well done for, you know, to your mom and ev you know, everyone to push through. That because, and I can't believe also that reasonable adjustments even after your diagnosis as well, they were discarded. Yeah. Adjustments, you know, are, are key, are also, you know, of the act. They have to, you know, provide those reasonable adjustments so that people can make sure that things are accessible to them that maybe wouldn't necessarily be accessible in the first place. So, to say that you would at an advantage by having that, it's just, yeah. It was that school just did not understand it to any degree, was just, I remember one day I went to I was in a dance lesson and I was really ill, so I had to go home and I'd accidentally left my planner in the dance studio. And then I come in the next day and went to a maths class and I turn up and the day before they'd have a different teacher so that he had the maths books. Anyway in the class. And she said, all right, everybody, get your planners out on the desk. And I was like, oh my gosh, I've left my planner in the dance studio'cause I was ill yesterday. She's like, that's a detention. I was, I was like, no, not a detention. Like I was a very, like, wanting to be in school would hate having days off like I would if I was sick or had a day off school, you'd know something was wrong because it would put me outta routine. Like, I'm not meant to be off school today. So I remember she said, that's the detention. And I was like, oh. I said, no, no, no. It's, it's in the dance studio. Like it's on the school premises. Nope, haven't none of it. Then she's like, okay, everybody get your maths books out. And I was like, I don't have my maths book. They handed them all out and I was like, I don't have it. That's another detention. I like, no, like. I just don't understand what you're, what, what you are thinking. Like, I don't have this stuff. And it was really hard for me to explain like, yeah, that I don't have it. Like, and they didn't believe me anyway, had these two detentions and then the teacher rang me the next day, really? Sorry. She said to my mom, I'm really sorry. We had the maths book. The dance teacher explained that the planner is in the cast, but what, what she didn't realize is the fact she's just put me under so much pressure. I'm panicking, thinking I've got detention. Like I was just, it was little things like that for me, that that was the end of the world and I was just, it was really frustrating that she wouldn't understand what, why I was saying what I was. So, yeah, that, that was a battle of one school out of the many that. Yeah. Oh, it must have been so hard. What, what would you wish that teachers support staff knew that they, they didn't know when you were at school? I think the main thing is, so schools like primary school age is very hard, obviously, like we're growing up as kids, so. We are gonna be crazy or just being kids, you know what I mean? But when it, when it comes to autism and being a girl when I'm masking, like, you don't, you see me school probably would've never known exactly who I was because I was a different person in school. I, I would be really good at work. I would have friends, I would make eye contact, I'd go to social clubs. If anybody was to hear what I just said, they'd be like, you're not artistic. Well, they're not educated. That's why, that's why they would be like, well there's new autistic because you can do this and this and this and this and this and that. That's not the case. So yeah, but had they have actually maybe picked up signs, like if I was having a really off day, I probably behaved a bit different. Like if something had thrown me off or I, I always say to people, my day could be thrown off the minute I wake up. I always use the Nutella story. If I one night think, oh, I've seen, I've seen a crumpet in the fridge and I know there's Nutella in in the cupboard, I'm gonna have for breakfast, like go sleep, wake up. Someone has eaten the crumpet, but before I've woken up, that would ruin my day. That would ruin my, and I'd be thinking, oh, I dunno what to have for breakfast. Now I've not had it. Now I'm panicking. I'm not eating. I haven't even got dressed for school yet, and I'm already freaking out about how my day's ruined. So I think that's something they didn't understand. Like some days, some days it was a success just getting through the school gate. Things like non-school uniform days. Well, why? It's just a school day. I have to wear my uniform and it would only take, my mom would pack me a different outfit in my bag and I would have to get to school and see everybody isn't in their uniform. For me to then be like, it's okay. Okay, I'll wear my own clothes. But things like that they wouldn't understand. Like they were like, come on, come on, put your own clothes. Well, why? I don't wanna put my own clothes on. I'm in school. Like, yeah, it was just, my school was really hard. I, I actually can't remember like. That much. I just know that it was just a time where I'd mask at school and I'd come home and I'd lash out. Yeah. Where I'd be building it up all day. And because I wasn't diagnosed, I obviously didn't know how to explain why that was happening, but I would just build up all day. Little things like the primary school I went to had a bell to like signal time. A class ended. Hot dinners and they changed what we were gonna have. Or obviously some of their primary schools are different, but we kind of like swap classrooms sometimes. So it would be just like the constant swapping of classrooms or supply teachers, like it's the unknown, the constant daily unknown battles with then build up. And I remember one day mum said to me on the way to school, oh, we're gonna have this for dinner, got home and she'd made something else up. I let loose, I opened a bag of pasta, I think, or rice, and I just threw it across the kitchen. I throw everything on the floor like I just did. But there was no explanation to why I was doing that other than looking back now. And I was autistic. And you've triggered my, my response. Yeah. So yeah, primary school was, was a bit difficult. Secondary school was easier because I had come to terms with like. The autism, the way I told my friends was I wrote them a letter basically explaining like why I am, how I am, what autism is, da, da, da, and I, I didn't even say anything. I just gave them all the letter and, and that was that. And I actually ended up with a really good group of friends. It, it is really sad the fact that it's only the friends that that got me through school because the school still didn't understand. It was just, I did get like readers and extra time, but remember one day we had this random exam that the whole school had to do and they put me in the hall with everybody. And because my, my last name starts with a, I was at the front, so I remember sitting in the hall and I was doing the exam, but every question I was getting more panicky and panicking, thinking, gosh, like I have to get out. Everyone's looking at me. I can hear a thousand pencils, squiggling. And, and I, the head teacher was like, are you okay? And I was like, no, but, but the fact, the panicking me was also the fact that if I now stand up and get and wanna leave. The whole entire school, the school was gonna watch me leave and I was like, I really have to get out. I have to get out now. Anyway, I, I'd got escorted out and then they said, oh yeah, we're really sorry. We shouldn't have put you in there. Had you have actually taken notice and, and read, you would've known. So secondary school was, was I had to battle for myself. It was constant supply teachers. Constant different teachers coming in and out. And the funny thing was they knew that I, I was very like, confident and they knew, I would say how I thought, sometimes I'd get asked to answer questions or, you know,'cause they, they knew I was quite honest. But when it came to there maybe being a new teacher brought in, when Ted came in, I was never asked because then, no, I would've been honest and, and said what was going on? So it was, it was just things like that, like when they wanted me to maybe grasp on someone and, and tell them what's going on in the background from a pupil's perspective, then they'd want me to speak. But when it was like anybody else important, I wouldn't be asked. So that was interesting. Yeah. That is very interesting and not great that they wouldn't ask you share your views on that. Yeah. Unexpected change. I think some, a lot of things you've just. It's, it really impacts resonate with, with my son, for example, the impact of non-school uniform day and the impact of, I mean, world Book Day, we don't actually after one instant on World Book Day, we don't now send him in on World Book Day because everyone is in a different costume. So it's another level up from non-school day. Everyone's dressed up, everyone looks different. The space, it usually is it anymore, because even the. Everyone looks really different. Yeah. And it just, for me as a parent, I'm like, actually it's not worth having that negative experience, for example, for my son where he feels so unsafe in that, in an environment where he usually feels safe, so therefore he has, he has that with me on that day. Yeah. No, that's good though. Things like that. But then it was also a stress of is, is the costume gonna fit right? Does it feel right? Then in the morning I'd be like, no, no, it doesn't look right. So then I'd have a meltdown, like, I don't like it. extra stress. Extra stress is. You've been talking about masking, I think, again, more understanding of that just'cause there's so many comments that, oh, they're fine with me, or they're fine here. So many people get told that and. Do you understand masking? Do you know what masking is? And I think that if people understood that more in society, and the coke bottle effect of all of those different things that you described to then, you know, that meltdown happening at home or shut down. And thinking like that and understanding, like you said, because you, you were told throughout your primary life, and your mum was told, oh, there's, yeah, no, it's. But actually now understanding and looking back. So it's great that you are raising awareness and Yeah. Tell, tell us a bit more about now, like about visible autism why, I wanna know why, why the logo is what it is, and also what you're doing to raise awareness. Yeah. So visible autism started actually because of. That we had with my autism. So obviously after school and after covid, I went to university. Didn't know if I actually really wanted to go, but schools nowadays push uni on you, like there's no tomorrow. So with my brain, which has recently, we run the process of being diagnosed with a ADHD two, which also now makes sense about the university. I just made a rash decision that I was gonna go. So I studied sport and dance for A-levels, and my choice was, do I do sport for a lifetime or or dance? So I chose dance. So I went to a specialist dance school in Manchester and thought, brilliant, great new start. I'm gonna move out. I'm gonna live in the city by myself, you know, for parents with autistic children. That's a massive step, like for my mom and dad, their autistic child is moving out to live in Manchester by herself like a few months ago. Getting on the bus was a massive achievement. So, you know, it was really exciting and I wanted to do dance for like the rest of my life. I wanted to perform and, and et cetera. So we went and it was healthy. It was hell from the start. I really enjoyed. The fact that I had routine and I had to be in the studio for a certain time, and I, I took it so seriously, like, and the thing that really frustrated me was the fact that the people around me didn't wanna be there and that would then have a RICO share effect on me. Not only like,'cause I lived with them. So obviously I was just constantly surrounded by people that couldn't be bothered. But I was in classes with them. And if people can't be bothered in your class, it. Forfeit for everybody. Like that's just the way it worked. So yeah, the first year was very hard. I was trying to get used to, to the lifestyle, obviously trying to like work at the same time so I could afford to live in Manchester and it just, it just came back on me. They didn't understand my autism the first year I went in and I said. So my mom, I said, I just wanna do it by myself. Like I'm gonna explain to them what's going on. Basically, I had like 19 teachers. I was dancing for 12, 13 hours a day. I made, I was so ill, I was so ill, I just couldn't keep up with the lifestyle and having to mentally prepare every day for anything that is gonna trigger my autism. And it was things like drama and just, it just wasn't a professional place to be. On top of that, they didn't understand autistic people at all. And I remember saying, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna leave. I just hate it. I really hate it. And they said, no, no, no. Like, you're, you're fine, you're fine. I said, okay. And basically we had this workshop and this guy came in and he basically sat us down and was telling us about how he teaches his dances. And he said, is there anybody that is neurodiverse or has issues? And I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, there is Hello me. And he sat us down and he, he explained how to be a dancer with, with like autism or A DHD or like processing delay or things like that. And that was my biggest issue, like in dance, which I don't think people, I don't speak about it much, it's still a bit traumatic, but with dance, everything is about processing. How quick can you pick it up? Can you change direction? Can you do this? Can you do that? And if you can't do it, someone else can do it better than you, so they'll get the job instead. And that was my issue. I couldn't, I just, they didn't understand that I needed extra time. And there were some teachers that did get it and there was some that really could see how I changed from the start to the end. But there were others that weren't. First year was just like a constant, something went wrong every week, so went home. Started second year and I said, right, I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna say, this is what went wrong last year. Now you need to work with me for this to work. They said, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, it would be really nice. Can I have a meeting with all the teachers just so I can explain how my autism is gonna affect in second year? Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. We'll help you do that. Then they said, no, I can't have that, because if we did that for you, we have to do that for. Autistic people, but what they'd failed to recognize is that they told me there was, you could count the autistic people on one hand, there was literally nobody there that was autistic. So we were like, but that's a reasonable adjustment. You need, I need to explain, like I mentally cannot go to every single lesson. And explain what's going on, especially when I have to be there on time, already get myself warmed up, do this, do this, do this, do this as well as you want me to tell everybody what's going on. So I said, I can't. I said, I, I can't do it. I can't. And we basically ended up having a meeting. And that meeting led to me leaving because they said reasonable adjustments. They used the excuse that. Well, we have, my child is autistic. Well that doesn't matter because my autism is different to your child's autism. I just didn't understand, and from that point I just said, look, there's so much, like even what I've just explained then is 10% of what happened. But there was so much that I was thinking, how am I ever gonna do this with people that don't support me? So I left again. Probably another rash decision, but the best decision I've made and process of leaving. I was speaking to a dancer and I, I was trying to explain to her. So one of the things with, with my sensory in dance is I would constantly be in class, like taking my hoodie off, putting my hoodie on. Like if I was getting too hot, I'd have to take it off. If I was sweating, I could feel it. The top sticking to me, like I'd have to take it off and then I'd put it back and I'd just explained to her like, that's one of the things that happens. And she said, make something that you can wear. And you don't have to explain to everybody every single time why visible autism appears. So I first started with, we just made a hoodie and a t-shirt and we put the logo on and it was basically a way of, so one of my things is I like to wear clothes. I like, I love a good baggy hoodie and t-shirt. And obviously as a dancer that's like all I would wear. So we made that and that was ba The idea is basically once people understand the logo, then as soon as you see somebody wearing it, you're like, get it. Yeah. So the logo basically is a T and A J put together for my initials, and then it makes an A, which is my last name, and autism, A for autism. But if you turn the logo upside down, it makes a V visible Autism. But the fact that we have to explain it, it's like a hidden meaning. Yeah. Because my autism is hidden.'cause you, you wouldn't know unless I spoke about it. Yeah, that's really, so we've put it and we've put it on a hoodie and a t-shirt and all our other things we have now because it's a talking point. One of the, one of my traits is I can't initiate a conversation. Like if somebody was to come up and say, oh, hi, I. They're expecting me to make a conversation. Well, I can't. I need somebody to like get the ball rolling once I'm talking. I can't stop. But that's the whole reason behind the, the clothing and the products, is that people will come up to me and say, oh, what does that mean? Oh, so now I can explain to them that it's autism and this is what happens and blah, blah, blah. Long story to where we started, but yeah. I love that. I love the, the meanings behind it.'cause Yeah, you wouldn't necessarily, you, it needs to be explained. I, when I saw it, I was like a okay, autism, and then, but actually there's the hidden meaning too. Yeah. So yeah, it is just, and it has gone really well. So this year at Visible Autism Turns two, it's very, it's, it started quite slow and just we started with off like a local event and kind of just getting our name out there. But yeah, it's kind of taken off. We've, we've done quite a lot of media and then we've now got like a quite a good product range. Things just like clothing. Everything to do with visible autism is to do with my personal experience. Everything you see that we sell or I post online is my autism. Like I, and I never would say it's for everybody, it's just what happens with mine. And then if you happen to resonate with that, like that's, that's great. So yeah, we just created some products and then everything I post online is just daily vlogs or something that's happened in the day or. Some sort of texture overload or, yeah. I basically post anything and everything and it, it's basically like, just like a dump of my brain. Like if you look at our social media Yeah. The way it looks when I post what I post, that is actually my life. It's, it's messy. It's, it's a bit of this, a bit of that. It's either late or. Yeah, it'll be some sort of, I mean, it was neurodiverse week, this March. I posted about it on the last day because I forgot about it. Like, it's just things like that, but it's just a, it is just a raw, realistic, this is real life. Yeah. This like, don't ever expect me to post consistently. I, I did vlog most last year. I got to day 19 and I forgot about it. Yeah, so it just, it just basically. We're gonna start a documentary soon because I've always said I find it very hard to document the negative parts of autism because the negative parts are when I'm either masking or I'm having a meltdown or something's gone wrong. And the last thing I wanna do is pick up the camera. Yeah. So this is hopefully gonna capture some of the negative or, you know, bit more distressing parts of of being autistic. Yeah. So where are you? So this documentary is, starting soon, isn't it, that you're filming. So, I mean, again, my life is all over the place and I actually go back to Crete in three weeks. So on the side of visible autism, I'm also a fitness instructor and personal trainer. So I go basically to a hotel for six months. I'm that crazy person at 10:00 AM that's like, come on, get in the pool. Like, let's do aqua aerobics. So yeah, I basically go to Living Creek and we are gonna be able to capture some of that while I'm out there. So that's gonna be really exciting. Yeah. And then, yeah, when I'm back, it'll just be a case of vlogging life and, and seeing where I go. I have a big decision this year whether I want to. Kind of settle back in the UK and build up the business, personal training side of the business, or whether I just find another country to live in. I don't know. So yeah, I have to decide what I wanna do. But either way, there's, there's a lot for me in the UK and there's a lot coming. For visible autism. Really. We've actually just been nominated for UK startup awards in the region. Congratulations. Thanks. Yeah. So that's, that's another big step. So next year is it, do you reckon that will be ready to come out in 2026? Yeah, hopefully. I think we'll start with something quite small and then if it proves that it's, it's quite popular, then maybe we can go a bit further. I've wanted my own Netflix documentary, so who knows? Netflix. Yeah. I just think it's really interesting, like people always ask me about Daily life or, or I always get the question, oh, so what is autism? I don't know. I don't know what autism is. I can't explain to you why it's happened, but, and then I always get, okay, so what kind of traits do you have? And I'm like. It's really hard to describe my daily life. Like my traits are my daily life and it's only when someone highlights it to me or the basic ones, like the stereotypical autistic traits. But actually there's so many and I always get put on the spot like, so what are your traits? And I'm like, I dunno. I, I literally. That's something that we're trying to capture, like literally how it affects we, there's a lot of companies and businesses, et cetera, that advocate for autistic people and are there to support, and we do that too. Like that's one of the sides. But my main reasoning behind Visible Autism was to educate the people that don't have autism or children or themselves, just, just to kind of bridge that gap a little bit. Yeah, the, the main issues that have happened in my life have been because it's the people that don't understand autism. That's what's caused the issue. So I was thinking, my perspective is we'll go down that route. We'll try and educate the people that don't have it, so that you would then be able to pick up signs. Like I always say, I have an autistic radar. I can pick up signs from people straight away, and I go, Hmm, interesting. I. So it's things like that, like it would be really nice in the world, a very big statement, but if people that aren't neurodiverse could be like autism, I know that we've got a long way to go, but you know that that's the aim of the game really, isn't it, for us to have a bit more of a, an easy life, she said. Yeah, more understanding, more acceptance, more adaptations to society to make sure, because it's some of the barriers that society puts up, whether that's in school, whether that's in just general day to. Make it, make it trickier, don't they, for neurot individuals to be able to access things and, and things like that. So, so yeah, I think it's great. And I think that's the aim, isn't it? There's a great visual where that, there's quite a popular visual that you probably may have seen, but you know, it's like. Equality and it's like two people having the same box to stand over this fence and one person can't actually see over one person can, and it's equity giving the, the smaller person in this visual to see over the fence, like more boxes so that he can actually see over the fence. And the other one actually doesn't need any boxes'cause they can already see over the fence. But then also it's like, so, so that's great and that's what we can do. But at the end of the day also what justice is removing that fence. So. It's removing those barriers in society, which is often a thing, government, you know, all of that. But we can take our steps and we can do what we can to try and make society that more inclusive space. Yeah, absolutely. yeah, definitely. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing about your lived experience and about what you're doing with autism. And I look forward to, you know, seeing how it, how it goes and, you know, and seeing that documentary and blogs as well as you go over to Crete as well. And I'll share them too. So if people wanna connect with you, where's the best place to connect with you and find out? So we're, we're on all socials, so. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn, all that. It's basically either visible autism or visible Autism Limited, but you can type it in and it, it pops up. Yeah, blogs on YouTube and we have a website and an email. So email is admin@visibleautism.co uk and the website is just autism uk. And you can find us a message. See what's interesting. Excellent. So yeah, they can find your, clothing and also look at the blog, the blogs and everything like that. Yeah. Support. Thank you so much. This autism acceptance, acceptance day, but it's, it's something that. It is for, for life, for every day of the week to actually have to take that time to have some understanding. Ask someone, ask someone about themselves. If you know someone who's autistic or you know, et cetera. Ask them and find out about experience today. There's a couple of people that in my life when I've said I'm autistic, and they go, oh, really? I'm not quite sure. So tell me more. Yeah. Those people I've always remembered. Because they've actually asked me like how it is. I always say, I always think about autism as an age. You celebrate your birthday becoming that age. You are that age for a whole year. Like it's every day. So think about that when it comes to autism. Like it's all right, we celebrate it for a day or a month. Yeah. But for us autistic people, it's every day We have to live with it 24 7. So yeah, make some noise, but all year round. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. From conversations with St. Mum podcast, there's different conversations that I've had with autistic individuals and others as well that you can kind of look back on and lots on social media from, from both of us. So so yeah. Thank you so much, Tanisha. Thank you. That's right, and remember that starting in May, season four of conversation with podcast will be weekly on a Wednesday.